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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts on Cisco, Telepresence, and Reciprocity</title>
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		<title>By: phone system birmingham</title>
		<link>http://skilfulminds.com/2009/11/18/thoughts-on-cisco-telepresence-and-reciprocity/#comment-2667</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phone system birmingham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 02:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Larry Irons</title>
		<link>http://skilfulminds.com/2009/11/18/thoughts-on-cisco-telepresence-and-reciprocity/#comment-969</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry Irons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James,

One more point, and as I stated initially. The default point of presence in such systems, at least from a design point, needs to ensure reciprocity. Illusion seldom works in a consistent manner if it is not done on a stage. It is misleading, if not disingenuous, for vendors to sell telepresence systems &quot;as if&quot; they are stages for the illusion of copresence when in fact they are stages involving mutliple configurations that users can buy. These are very well known distinctions in the research on computer mediated communication.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>One more point, and as I stated initially. The default point of presence in such systems, at least from a design point, needs to ensure reciprocity. Illusion seldom works in a consistent manner if it is not done on a stage. It is misleading, if not disingenuous, for vendors to sell telepresence systems &#8220;as if&#8221; they are stages for the illusion of copresence when in fact they are stages involving mutliple configurations that users can buy. These are very well known distinctions in the research on computer mediated communication.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Irons</title>
		<link>http://skilfulminds.com/2009/11/18/thoughts-on-cisco-telepresence-and-reciprocity/#comment-968</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry Irons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi James,

These are very refined distinctions. I appreciate the feedback. I would agree with you about telepresence and full immersion, as long as the number of screens available in a &quot;telepresence&quot; meeting equals the number of sites involved in the meeting. Many configurations, I suspect, involve more distant sites than available screens. In that case, the &quot;illusion&quot; disappears and switching rooms in views negates the point you make about immersion, and the need for a reciprocity view still stands, IMHO. In my mind, this is more a point about the vendors&#039; failing to explicitly, and in their marketing literature, recognize the limitations of certain configurations of their technology as opposed to others. And, if purchasers of those configurations choose to ignore a recommendation for reciprocity from the vendor then so be it. However, I really wonder whether vendors even recognize, much less explictly discuss, those limitations with clients.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,</p>
<p>These are very refined distinctions. I appreciate the feedback. I would agree with you about telepresence and full immersion, as long as the number of screens available in a &#8220;telepresence&#8221; meeting equals the number of sites involved in the meeting. Many configurations, I suspect, involve more distant sites than available screens. In that case, the &#8220;illusion&#8221; disappears and switching rooms in views negates the point you make about immersion, and the need for a reciprocity view still stands, IMHO. In my mind, this is more a point about the vendors&#8217; failing to explicitly, and in their marketing literature, recognize the limitations of certain configurations of their technology as opposed to others. And, if purchasers of those configurations choose to ignore a recommendation for reciprocity from the vendor then so be it. However, I really wonder whether vendors even recognize, much less explictly discuss, those limitations with clients.</p>
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		<title>By: James Macanufo</title>
		<link>http://skilfulminds.com/2009/11/18/thoughts-on-cisco-telepresence-and-reciprocity/#comment-967</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Macanufo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve had a chance to play around in Halo, Cisco and Tandberg telepresence, and use Skype video all the time. As a design point, I think reciprocity is needed in Skype (where Im adjusting the camera, fiddling with the tech, etc) but would be a drawback and distraction in telepresence. Telepresence is about full immersion: it doesnt take long for the brain to get over the novelty, suspend belief and for all practical purposes believe you are in the same room with the other location. Reciprocity would fight against this convincing illusion.

That&#039;s not to say that the design couldnt be improved. Most telepresence rooms hardcode the typical meeting format: we&#039;re going to get around a table and talk. Where is the whiteboard? How do we do post-up? Presentation is one thing, but co- creation and collaboration is harder. Would like to see this challenge addressed in next generation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had a chance to play around in Halo, Cisco and Tandberg telepresence, and use Skype video all the time. As a design point, I think reciprocity is needed in Skype (where Im adjusting the camera, fiddling with the tech, etc) but would be a drawback and distraction in telepresence. Telepresence is about full immersion: it doesnt take long for the brain to get over the novelty, suspend belief and for all practical purposes believe you are in the same room with the other location. Reciprocity would fight against this convincing illusion.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that the design couldnt be improved. Most telepresence rooms hardcode the typical meeting format: we&#8217;re going to get around a table and talk. Where is the whiteboard? How do we do post-up? Presentation is one thing, but co- creation and collaboration is harder. Would like to see this challenge addressed in next generation.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Irons</title>
		<link>http://skilfulminds.com/2009/11/18/thoughts-on-cisco-telepresence-and-reciprocity/#comment-956</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry Irons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;fixed reference points&quot; don&#039;t change the fact that it is a virtual room all participants are engaging one another through. From what I can tell from Cisco&#039;s web site there are certainly configurations sold that don&#039;t do what you suggest. The 3200 is one example.

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps9573/prod_view_selector.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;fixed reference points&#8221; don&#8217;t change the fact that it is a virtual room all participants are engaging one another through. From what I can tell from Cisco&#8217;s web site there are certainly configurations sold that don&#8217;t do what you suggest. The 3200 is one example.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps9573/prod_view_selector.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps9573/prod_view_selector.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ghost</title>
		<link>http://skilfulminds.com/2009/11/18/thoughts-on-cisco-telepresence-and-reciprocity/#comment-955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ghost]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I work for one of the current big telepresence players.  I will attempt to explain the reasoning behind no reciprocity in the larger telepresence systems.  

If you take a traditional endpoint (all manufacturers are now all calling them &quot;telepresence&quot;) - most of them support multiple monitors, or an emulated dual view on a single monitor.  This typically provides the local view you are referring to. 

Now compare this to the larger &quot;fixed configuration&quot; of Cisco&#039;s Telepresence, HP Halo, Polycom&#039;s immersive telepresence.  In all those configurations you are given fixed reference points - the table, the chairs, positioning of everything in the rooms.  With these fixed reference points you should have enough self awareness to know things like &quot;I&#039;m slouching in my chair&quot; (and that will look bad on the other side of the conference).  Most of the elements in the room have the exact same common element on the other side - this is your reciprocity.  

In your traditional conference room, where you&#039;ve placed a VC unit on the wall (or some appropriate place), you will be calling a room different than the one you are in. This breaks the reference points contained in the telepresence suites - which is why those smaller systems give you the reciprocity.

I hope this helps your understanding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for one of the current big telepresence players.  I will attempt to explain the reasoning behind no reciprocity in the larger telepresence systems.  </p>
<p>If you take a traditional endpoint (all manufacturers are now all calling them &#8220;telepresence&#8221;) &#8211; most of them support multiple monitors, or an emulated dual view on a single monitor.  This typically provides the local view you are referring to. </p>
<p>Now compare this to the larger &#8220;fixed configuration&#8221; of Cisco&#8217;s Telepresence, HP Halo, Polycom&#8217;s immersive telepresence.  In all those configurations you are given fixed reference points &#8211; the table, the chairs, positioning of everything in the rooms.  With these fixed reference points you should have enough self awareness to know things like &#8220;I&#8217;m slouching in my chair&#8221; (and that will look bad on the other side of the conference).  Most of the elements in the room have the exact same common element on the other side &#8211; this is your reciprocity.  </p>
<p>In your traditional conference room, where you&#8217;ve placed a VC unit on the wall (or some appropriate place), you will be calling a room different than the one you are in. This breaks the reference points contained in the telepresence suites &#8211; which is why those smaller systems give you the reciprocity.</p>
<p>I hope this helps your understanding.</p>
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